Comments on: Google has just bought a lot of browsing history of the internet http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/ entertaining hundreds of millions of eyeball atoms every day Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:06:22 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: adam http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-830 adam Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:38:27 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-830 Please elaborate on what you see as the difference between those two statements. I'm not sure I see the distinction. Sure, the "tracking technology" is really simple - you drop a cookie with a unique identifier, and you log every piece of information you're given access to. It's not rocket science. It can be, however, reasonably invasive. Remember that the primary reason we have privacy policies in the first place is because of the lawsuit against DoubleClick. The technology is easy, but it doesn't allow time travel. As I pointed out, DoubleClick has been doing this for a long time, and buying them was the only way for Google to get access to that data. This is a possible explanation for why they were willing to pony up $3.1 billion <b>in cash, not stock</b>, for technology that they could have undoubtedly built for significantly cheaper. Historical profiling data is also, as far as I can tell, the only asset that DoubleClick has which has value to Google (which is in that business) but which does not have value to Microsoft (which is not in that business) - and that's a possible reason why Microsoft didn't match Google's offer. Please elaborate on what you see as the difference between those two statements. I’m not sure I see the distinction.

Sure, the “tracking technology” is really simple – you drop a cookie with a unique identifier, and you log every piece of information you’re given access to. It’s not rocket science. It can be, however, reasonably invasive. Remember that the primary reason we have privacy policies in the first place is because of the lawsuit against DoubleClick.

The technology is easy, but it doesn’t allow time travel. As I pointed out, DoubleClick has been doing this for a long time, and buying them was the only way for Google to get access to that data. This is a possible explanation for why they were willing to pony up $3.1 billion in cash, not stock, for technology that they could have undoubtedly built for significantly cheaper. Historical profiling data is also, as far as I can tell, the only asset that DoubleClick has which has value to Google (which is in that business) but which does not have value to Microsoft (which is not in that business) – and that’s a possible reason why Microsoft didn’t match Google’s offer.

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By: Rob http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Rob Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:51:11 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-828 Adam, Please keep in mind the title of your post was "Google has just bought a lot of browsing history of the internet", not "Google has just bought access to a lot of user activity on the internet". I don't think anyone would argue that DoubleClick gives them access to more data, however, the 'dirty little secret' is that the technology to 'track' users (look out, they're behind you!) is so trivial to develop that Google has had DoubleClick's 'tracking' technology and then some for several years at least. Google bought them to keep MS or Yahoo from getting them, and, in a distant second, to learn what DoubleClick knows about display ads. Adam,

Please keep in mind the title of your post was “Google has just bought a lot of browsing history of the internet”, not “Google has just bought access to a lot of user activity on the internet”.

I don’t think anyone would argue that DoubleClick gives them access to more data, however, the ‘dirty little secret’ is that the technology to ‘track’ users (look out, they’re behind you!) is so trivial to develop that Google has had DoubleClick’s ‘tracking’ technology and then some for several years at least. Google bought them to keep MS or Yahoo from getting them, and, in a distant second, to learn what DoubleClick knows about display ads.

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By: adam http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-825 adam Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:06:15 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-825 It's certainly not an unbiased source, but Microsoft's general counsel is quoted in this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/technology/16soft.html?ex=1334376000&en=e67b8532cbba5ba8&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss" rel="nofollow">NYT article about Microsoft's opinion that the DoubleClick deal shouldn't go ahead because of antitrust violations</a>. As funny as that may be, it's interesting that in addition to the usual "stifling competition" argument, he also mentions the personal information collection problem: "Microsoft contends that the $3.1 billion deal, announced on Friday, would hurt competition in the fast-growing market for advertising on the Web and raises questions about how much personal information would be collected by Google, already a dominant player in online advertising." Microsoft, in arguably the best position of any company to spy on billions of people if they wanted to, is publicly worried about Google's potential to "observe and capture consumer information on an unprecedented scale.” Does that make you feel better? It’s certainly not an unbiased source, but Microsoft’s general counsel is quoted in this NYT article about Microsoft’s opinion that the DoubleClick deal shouldn’t go ahead because of antitrust violations. As funny as that may be, it’s interesting that in addition to the usual “stifling competition” argument, he also mentions the personal information collection problem:

“Microsoft contends that the $3.1 billion deal, announced on Friday, would hurt competition in the fast-growing market for advertising on the Web and raises questions about how much personal information would be collected by Google, already a dominant player in online advertising.”

Microsoft, in arguably the best position of any company to spy on billions of people if they wanted to, is publicly worried about Google’s potential to “observe and capture consumer information on an unprecedented scale.” Does that make you feel better?

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By: adam http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-823 adam Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:11 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-823 I have no actual information about what Google is doing with this data. But two things are facts - 1) DoubleClick does have an incredibly large browsing log history covering a lot of internet real estate that Google's does not and 2) Google paid more than anyone expected that DoubleClick was worth. The M&A people are not stupid, and they obviously saw some value in there that others have missed. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's all really just about keeping DoubleClick out of the hands of a competitor. Personally, if I worked at Google, I'm sure if I put my mind to it I could find all sorts of useful things to do with that data combined with Google's computing cluster. It's pretty clear that they're building a predictive model of internet traffic. That's what adaptive ads are all about - figuring out what people are going to click on before you show it to them. It seems like the more data you have the better that model is going to be, whether it's old or not. But the reality is that I don't know what they might be doing with it. I've just gotten in the habit of pointing out the non-obvious side effects of their public actions, of which there are many. I have no actual information about what Google is doing with this data. But two things are facts – 1) DoubleClick does have an incredibly large browsing log history covering a lot of internet real estate that Google’s does not and 2) Google paid more than anyone expected that DoubleClick was worth. The M&A people are not stupid, and they obviously saw some value in there that others have missed.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s all really just about keeping DoubleClick out of the hands of a competitor. Personally, if I worked at Google, I’m sure if I put my mind to it I could find all sorts of useful things to do with that data combined with Google’s computing cluster. It’s pretty clear that they’re building a predictive model of internet traffic. That’s what adaptive ads are all about – figuring out what people are going to click on before you show it to them. It seems like the more data you have the better that model is going to be, whether it’s old or not.

But the reality is that I don’t know what they might be doing with it. I’ve just gotten in the habit of pointing out the non-obvious side effects of their public actions, of which there are many.

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By: timhj http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-821 timhj Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:59:48 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-821 You're an idiot. Good luck with life. You’re an idiot. Good luck with life.

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By: Steve http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-820 Steve Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:33:30 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-820 Besides the fact that information 12 months and older is well...mostly worthless...I strongly believe that google is not out to get you, or anyone else. And, IP adddress is NOT enough to uniquely identify a person. And in most cases can't be used to identify a specific computer. Besides the fact that information 12 months and older is well…mostly worthless…I strongly believe that google is not out to get you, or anyone else. And, IP adddress is NOT enough to uniquely identify a person. And in most cases can’t be used to identify a specific computer.

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By: Rob http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-816 Rob Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:37:30 +0000 http://www.aquick.org/blog/2007/04/14/google-has-just-bought-a-lot-of-browsing-history-of-the-internet/#comment-816 Seriously? I would be very interested to understand how data older than about 1 year (feel free to use 2 if that makes it easier) is of interest to Google. Seriously?

I would be very interested to understand how data older than about 1 year (feel free to use 2 if that makes it easier) is of interest to Google.

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